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over the eons innumerable species have risen, fallen, and been swept away without fanfare.
none were more deserving of their fate than the 51% of americans who don’t believe in evolution.
evolution is proven, demonstrable, supportable science. it isn’t even close. you may as well disavow gravity. you may as well be skeptical of the need to breathe.
if evolution hadn’t happened, you wouldn’t be around to contemplate it’s incontrovertible factitude.
ain’t irony wonderful?
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Sorry guy,
Evo is not proven. You can not prove history with incomplete evidence and supposition.
Evo is less supportable than most other theories.
Gravity has yet to be disproved at the larger than atomic level, (as far as I know) making it a useful theory. Quantum theory does raise some cool questions though.
Nobel prize winner Dick Feynman said something to the effect that physics can tell you what will happen, but it can not tell you why it happened. His books are great reads, try “Surely you’re Joking Mr. Feynmam!”
You should not have paid so much attention to your junior high school science teacher.
There are far more unanswered questions in science than answered.
Investigate science and learn to think for yourself; then get back to me in a few years.
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Generally, I’ll favour science: physics and evolution make sense to me. Although I’m skeptocal of “Intelligent Design” theory, I would say there is something to be said for the propositions of Zecharia Sitchin, who has come up with his own original cosmology based in part on ancient Sumerian and Babylonian lore, the Bible and astonomical findings from the 20th century. There’s room for lots of ideas. I just have trouble with the ones that are (IMHO) too mystical and not observable enough… (A bit of a subjective P.O.V.)
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I would think that science would favo(u)r considering all possible variables when trying to explain the origins of the universe, the planet Earth, and human beings, and one of those variables, it seems to me, could be some form of intelligence that we don’t know much about. Hell, Stephen Hawking talks about God all the time!
That said, the info I’ve seen on intelligent design leaves me to believe it is a barely veiled attempt from the religious right to have Creationism, based on a literal reading of the Bible, taught in public schools, against the will of the founders who wanted a strict separation of church and state.
I actually don’t have a problem with a teacher teaching my kid that some people believe that the humans were created by God and that some people believe that humans evolved from apes. In fact, it seems ridiculous not to teach that given what we know about people’s beliefs.
But, that is what should be taught in a social studies class, not a science class. What I have a problem with is how intelligent design is being marketed and spun as a replacement for evolution, proof that evolution is wrong. I have not seen proof either way, and the body of work supporting intelligent design is so light compared to the work that has been done on evolution, that I just don’t see it qualifying as being taught as science yet.
I’m open to reading more about intelligent design, however, before I reflexively shun it.
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it’s not even close…{link}
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Allan appears to be taking a Socratic angle… “all I know is that we know nothing”. True, but in reality what Socrates was really saying was - I’m going to show you what an idiot you are, b/c I do know more than you, but I will do it under radar with an excellent method of answering questions with questions.
Without a doubt, in the current administration, this American species has reverted back to more primitive ways.
Hold tight to the Adam and Eve historical recount Allan. It will keep you in the direction in heaven, and those that differ in viewpoint will surely suffer hellfire.
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The car magnet image above says it all, I think: mysticism and science are part of the whole equation. The scientific method is valid - the rapid expansion of technology in all areas of life attests to that. But don’t nebulous qualities like intuition, curiosity and faith play a huge role in the conception of theories that lead to scientific breakthroughs?
People like Hawking are beginning to see where the two approaches link. It must be a continuum. The fossil record and selective breeding by farmers come to mind as strong indicators that evolution is valid. Even the Catholic Church acknowledges that many of the stories in Genesis are allegories. Why must faith and science be exclusive?
Offer all perspectives, that’s fine, but why REMOVE evolution from science classes? The push to remove the teaching of evolution is more about power than making a fair presentation of alternatives. Censoring the teaching of evolution not just silly, it’s really really double super extra silly with silly on top.
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Reminds of me of a quote from the great quantum physicist Dr. Seuss:
Sounds like this discussion is merging with the Flosstown Hall on dessert.
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You want to know how shady evolution is ask anyone taking 1st year statistics in college. The mathematical probabilities are astronomical to allow for evolution alone to result in life as we know it today. I don’t think anyone disputes that “evolutions” have taken place. There are however serious doubts as to whether or not the theory of natural selection via evolution could result in the level of sophistication we see in mammals. The odds on even one circumstance occuring to create the opposable thumb is virtually incalculable even if you start with and encephalopod and move forward from there. Nevermind trying to go back to a primordial ooze and bring it forward (mathematically) to a human being. It simply takes a greater leap of “faith” to believe that all those probabilities worked out just so than it does to consider that there is a unified creation vision which created the rules, and constructed the matter in such a way as to arrive at the desired outcome.
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“it isn’t even close.”
Even that is taking Intelligent Design too generously. They’re not even in the same ballpark. Evolution is science, Intelligent Design is bad theology in a cheap lab coat. It’s a travesty to people of science and an insult to people of faith.